This is pretty advanced stuff so it's good that we can't comment in you latest feat of feel-good.

So just between you and me.

About Gitmo.

1. Congress has power... To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water; Art 1, Sec 8 http://usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec8

2. The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State. Art 1, Sec 3 http://usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec3

3. 1. ...No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. (Amendment 14). http://usconstitution.net/const.html#Am14

If we are truly playing Republican rules, that's three strikes. Dems are out.

Why Dems?

You tell me John. Who is currently the majority in Congress? And in a couple of months who will be flat OUT of lame excuses?

Who LET Bush get away with this stuff despite the fact that ANY democrate at ANY time could have made the unarguable point, all others being bound by their oaths of office to agree.

Okay, complain that the media hasn't given you a fair break. You can't make that same complaint about the House Record.

And if you think you deseve more than 3 strikes, what makes you think you deserve more grace than you can give.

I'm wondering what happened to the 20,000 missing prisoners the CIA grabbed.

Were they used in mind-control experiments like the "manchurian candidate" programs of the past?

Here's what got be thinking about this. http://pr.thinkprogress.org/

But various elements mark the strike in Mumbai as something unique. As Time magazine's Bruce Crumley notes, the attacks in Mumbai mark "the emergence of an unprecedented hybrid of terror tactics." "This is essentially a small army sent into the heart of society with orders to kill and keep killing as long as possible," French terrorism specialist Roland Jacquard told Crumley. "So this is more like terrorism fused with insurgency and guerilla warfare." Counterterrorism experts told the Washington Post that the "the scale, sophistication and targets involved in the Mumbai attacks were markedly different from previous terrorist plots in India," suggesting that the assailants received training from outside of the country. "This is a new, horrific milestone in the global jihad," said former CIA South Asia analyst Bruce Riedel.

Now before everyone dismisses this out of hand, recall that

1. The war on drugs was concurrent with CIA drug smuggling. (Are the CIA really "our guys"?)

2. We also know that the war on terror is being waged by the same cadre of people. (modus match?)

3. With all this government secrecy it's impossible to pin this on the CIA but it's also impossible to excuse them due to past documented excesses, the most recent being the Abu Ghraib and rape-torture revelations.

4. Twenty thousand prisoners is a lot of people to lose (and abuse).

5. We know that the current Nazi regime in the whitehouse and their CIA
goons have been working on creating monsters through techniques of
horrendous humiliation and torture in the past.

And this last point can be verified here (skip down to "Project_ARTICHOKE" if you think you don't have time to look at all the context first.).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

Victor Marchetti has stated in various interviews that the CIA
routinely conducts disinformation campaigns and that CIA mind control
research continued. In a 1977 interview, Marchetti specifically called
the CIA claim that MK-ULTRA was abandoned a "cover story."[6][7]

On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said:

The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an "extensive testing and experimentation" program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens "at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign." Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to "unwitting subjects in social situations." At least one death, that of Dr. [Frank] Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers.[8]

To this day most specific information regarding Project MKULTRA remains highly classified.

<snip>

Previously, the CIA and the Army had actively and successfully sought to withhold incriminating information, even as they secretly provided compensation to the families. One subject of Army drug experimentation, James Stanley, an Army sergeant, brought an important, albeit unsuccessful, suit. The government argued that Stanley was barred from suing under a legal doctrine—known as the Feres doctrine, after a 1950 Supreme Court case, Feres v. United States—that prohibits members of the Armed Forces from suing the government for any harms that were inflicted "incident to service."

In 1987, the Supreme Court affirmed this defense in a 5–4 decision
that dismissed Stanley's case (483 U.S. 669). The majority argued that "a test for liability that depends on the extent to which particular suits would call into question military discipline and decision making would itself require judicial inquiry into, and hence intrusion upon, military matters." In dissent, Justice William Brennan argued that the need to preserve military discipline should not protect the government from liability and punishment for serious violations of constitutional rights:

The medical trials at Nuremberg in 1947 deeply impressed upon the world that experimentation with unknowing human subjects is morally and legally unacceptable. The United States Military Tribunal established the Nuremberg Code as a standard against which to judge German scientists who experimented with human subjects... . [I]n defiance of this principle, military intelligence officials ... began surreptitiously testing chemical and biological materials, including LSD.

Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, writing a separate dissent, stated:

No judicially crafted rule should insulate from liability the involuntary and unknowing human experimentation alleged to have occurred in this case. Indeed, as Justice Brennan observes, the United States played an instrumental role in the criminal prosecution of Nazi officials who experimented with human subjects during the Second World War, and the standards that the Nuremberg Military Tribunals developed to judge the behavior of the defendants stated that the 'voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential ... to satisfy moral, ethical, and legal concepts.' If this principle is violated, the very least that society can do is to see that the victims are compensated, as best they can be, by the perpetrators.

This is the only Supreme Court case to address the application of
the Nuremberg Code to experimentation sponsored by the U.S. government.
And while the suit was unsuccessful, dissenting opinions put the
Army—and by association the entire government—on notice that use of
individuals without their consent is unacceptable.

[Until now? Where are the 20,000 missing prisoners? What makes us think they were treated BETTER than those at abu ghraib? What is the character of these Nazi imported OSS/CIA creeps if they can even do this to Americans?? -rs]

<snip>

A considerable amount of credible circumstantial evidence
suggests that Theodore Kaczynski, also known as the Unabomber, participated in CIA-sponsored MK-ULTRA experiments conducted at Harvard University from the fall of 1959 through the spring of 1962. During World War II, Henry Murray, the lead researcher in the Harvard experiments, served with the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), which was a forerunner of the CIA. Murray applied for a grant funded by the United States Navy, and his Harvard stress experiments strongly resembled those run by the OSS.[38] Beginning at the age of sixteen, Kaczynski participated along with twenty-one other undergraduate students in the Harvard experiments, which have been described as"disturbing" and "ethically indefensible."[38][39]

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Wait. There's another CIA operation that may even be more to the point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_ARTICHOKE

The project studied hypnosis, forced morphine addiction (and subsequent forced withdrawal), and the use of other chemicals, among other methods, to produce amnesia and other vulnerable states in subjects.

Artichoke was an offensive program of mind control that gathered together the intelligence divisions of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and FBI. In addition, the scope of the project was outlined in a memo dated January 1952 that stated, "Can we get control of an individual to the point where he will do our bidding against his will and even against fundamental laws of nature, such as self preservation?"

See that bottom line there? That's NO LONGER CLASSIFIED! (Why did Bush feverishly reclassify so many docs that had already been declassified? Startin' to add up?)

Dunno about anyone else but I'm beginning to wonder if there's any difference between the KGB/FSB, the CIA, the Mossad, or any of the other government sanctioned mobsters. What if not only the Dem/Rep debates were scripted but even the international conflicts were? This could explain quite a few anomalies, no? Netanyahu warned to stay inside the day of the London bombings, unusual amount of airline stock puts around 9/11, Pentagon hit on only buttressed side (which had been under construction for 16 years and nearly completed), and so forth.

Help me wonder about this.

Who really hates our freedoms? What
IS personal responsibility (what trickled down and what trickled up)?

And when's the last time Congress ever declared one of their idiotic wars. http://usconstitution.net/const.html#A1Sec8

Congress switchboard (202) 224-3121
Toll free (some may not work): 1-800-828-0498 or 1-800-4591887 or
1-866-340-9281 or 1-877-851-6437

Dear Congress:

This is...

Just imagine what it looks like on terror.

Fun's fun, guys, but KNOCK IT OFF!

Keystone Kongress -- Outsmarted By The Uniter/Decider/Pardoner?
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Bush's Greatest Regret (Charles Gibson Interview On ABC)
-- or --
OH! I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYIN'.

Let it not be said that Slick Willy had anything on Baby Bush.

ABC's Charles Gibson asked if Bush had a do over what would it be. Bush said his greatest regret was the intelligence failure about WMD.

My previous version of this was done from memory. Here's the actual transcript right around the part I was bringing out.
http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=6356046

BUSH: I don't know -- the biggest regret of all the presidency has to have been the intelligence failure in Iraq. A lot of people put their reputations on the line and said the weapons of mass destruction is a reason to remove Saddam Hussein. It wasn't just people in my administration; a lot of members in Congress, prior to my arrival in Washington D.C., during the debate on Iraq, a lot of leaders of nations around the world were all looking at the same intelligence.

And, you know, that's not a do-over, but I wish the intelligence had been different, I guess.

GIBSON: If the intelligence had been right, would there have been an Iraq war?

BUSH: Yes, because Saddam Hussein was unwilling to let the inspectors go in to determine whether or not the U.N. resolutions were being upheld. In other words, if he had had weapons of mass destruction, would there have been a war? Absolutely.

GIBSON: No, if you had known he didn't.

BUSH: Oh, I see what you're saying. You know, that's an interesting question. That is a do-over that I can't do. It's hard for me to speculate.

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Hard to speculate on whether or not he'd have attacked if he KNEW Hussein hadn't had WMD? No it's not at all hard to speculate (see downing street memo link at the bottom of this post).

<God, come in God... CIA, anybody... Gotta help me out, buddy. Anybody there?>

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Placing second in the race to the bottom is runner up, Charles Gibson.

Gibson did not ask Bush if he planned to pardon himself for war crimes. Bush is a pretty compassionate guy though, so we can probably expect "sympathy and understanding" from him for him, but I think we should also insist on "therapy" per Cheney's prescription for terrorists held unconstitutionally at Guantanamo. (See Art1, Sec8 find "Captures")

And placing DEAD LAST is the Keystone Kongress. (See Art1, Sec8 find "Captures")

Please support mental health care for "evil doers" and "evil doer-overers".

no matter how small.

Have you read, I'm Still Tortured by What I Saw in Iraq? Please do, if you haven't. It's telling.

I learned in Iraq that the No. 1 reason foreign fighters flocked there to fight were the abuses carried out at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. Our policy of torture was directly and swiftly recruiting fighters for al-Qaeda in Iraq. The large majority of suicide bombings in Iraq are still carried out by these foreigners. They are also involved in most of the attacks on U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. It's no exaggeration to say that at least half of our losses and casualties in that country have come at the hands of foreigners who joined the fray because of our program of detainee abuse. The number of U.S. soldiers who have died because of our torture policy will never be definitively known, but it is fair to say that it is close to the number of lives lost on Sept. 11, 2001. How anyone can say that torture keeps Americans safe is beyond me -- unless you don't count American soldiers as Americans.

What I don't get is while you're still on watch, you refuse to initiate an Impeachment investigation. The policy of torture DID NOT make us a safer Nation from the threat of terrorists, but instead it has energised that threat, making us LESS SAFE, NO?

R E M E M B E R:
The Bush policy of TORTURE has been a second 9/11 upon this Nation...

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I M P E A C H M E N T
The Rule of Law demands it!!!

So...

Restructure the auto industry, eh? And it so happens that the workers will be competing with labor in which states?

What a coincidence.

Meanwhile the Japanese auto manufacturers in those states have fewer benefits than non-union workers in Japan?

Well, if that don't beat all.

But selling American workers to the lowest bidder isn't what We give Kongress a Cerebral Kotex Award for today. It's for their idea of hip technology. It's for their idea of "solutions to business problems". It's for their notion of "general welfare" (see Preamble, US Const.) And it's for their utter unworthiness to represent a paper map, much less a real nation.

Find the best match for "border".
a) Outer limit of a nation.
b) Inner limits of a nation.

See what I mean?

Now about this brilliant plan to bail out the auto industry. You make them do WHAT???!!!

1. Electric cars?

Don't those need copper and/or aluminum to produce? Compare feasibility to iron and zinc that's now used -- forget the 100 years of attempts to make one perfect car, just the problem of available materials will be a future bottleneck.

Don't those need nuclear or even fossil fuels to produce the electricity? No wonder Kongress' corporate contributors are in love with it. (Adam Smith Wealth Of Nations - or just find "as ignorant of the world as of the subject")

Is that technology going to have a seemless overlap with existing technology?

Duh. If Kongress never penned a law themselves, what makes us think they ever wrote a program for a computer? Even in BASIC. So how would they understand "reusability" if they don't understand libraries or subprograms?

By all appearances, they don't even understand the importance READABLE CODE!

2. Hybrids?

WHAT ABOUT FLEX, you nincompoops?

Why the suddens change of tack?

Right. Burn the bridge down, we will never have to go back, is that what you're thinking? WHAT A BUNCH OF MORE-ONS!

Remember that joke about the big and little morons? You guys are the big ones.

On that second point, I think I can guess why flex is on the chopping block, as evidenced by it's conspicous absense from the discussion. (Sorry if the news I got was inaccurate, but I'd rather premptively attack you assholes in error than take a chance that whatever you have is contagious.)

Because when it becomes apparent that hemp farms or even switchgrass fields could produce methanol for automobile fuel (by pyrolysis in something as simple as a moonshine still -- with only 5% of the output needed to fuel the still), well it becomes economically unfeasible somehow.

Can't build build the bridge to the 21st Century because we ran out of inches. Let's build one to Mars instead. We do have plenty of "red tape".

When it becomes obvious that even electricity could be produced for a fraction of the money it would take to do the same with solar cells AND can be done practcially anywhere, AND which is carbon neutral AND which would create jobs outside the cities AND which would decentralize energy production AND is green-green-green... well, that's not what I really wanted to talk about either. (Well, it's only part of it, anyway.)

What I really want to talk about is how embarrassingly incompetent our "leaders" are.

So now that big business has taken our government hostage, we'd better do what they say or they'll go away??

Halelujah!! Maybe THEN this would be the land of opportunity instead of just the land of opportunism. 'Course this would take a bit of "protectionism", aka "general welfare" to give the gold fish a fighting chance in the piranha tank, but that's perfectly Constitutional. (Art1, Sec 8 you BLIND FOOLS!)

And Bush has taken the entire military (and the militias/National Guard) hostage in Iraq?

STAY THE COURSE YOU NITWITS! You hung the wrong guy, but then what the heck. Close counts in handgrenades if not in Abu Grenaibs, eh? Want me to post the rape photos, Ms. Boxer? Then YOU do it! Max, turn off your family filter and search images for "Iraq rape torture". They are now only on the porn sites, apparently. Be respectful of the victims.. I claim sura 2:62, you muslims. And there are others.

If we need to tell our leaders what to do, who the hell needs 'em? Is anarchy better than mismanagement of this Republic?

THAT'S WHAT I GUESS I WANT TO TALK ABOUT!!

Get with the program, you jerks!
http://usconstitution.net/const.html

The founding fathers signed it.

We endorsed it.

It's the ONLY enforcible agreement between all people in this country, especially our alleged Representatives who took an OATH to uphold it.

It's what you have guys over in Iraq preserving, protecting and defending (without a formal declaration of war???)

AND IT'S NOW AVAILABLE IN ENGLISH !

People, Article 6 is the official endless loop, and Kongress is nowhere to be found in it, around it, or even in the same galaxy with it.

Look. If the management in our government does a bad job what do we do? We get rid of them. Not by "planting" them, no, that's ignorant AND it's unnecessary. A mere flick of the finger (or just let Diebold to it's thing) in the voting booth and it will FUMIGATE those in The People's House who do not deserve to be there.

And I do hope the Greens are ready to catch the pass.

So if replacing bad managers is how to have a just government derived from the CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED, then why not do the same to the CEO's who have demolished their industry -- and have thus threatened our national security, our common defense, if not our general welfare?

Congress: Replace those guys who come to you for handouts. Then give them the new guys the handout. duh?

So... How shall I put this politely?

Here's Congress' Daily
CEREBRAL KOTEX AWARD

For Today, April 1, 0000 BC

Dare to Make Sense

Has there ever been a more unenlightened people on earth? Consider the stakes.

Now you may answer.

If there's anyone who has not drunk the murky water in DC, I ask you to please send the CEOs back yet again. Tell 'em you're not buying their plan until they offer a sane solution.

Thanks.

[Or is it too late... What a hack job of a Congress and Senate.]

Want to know how mad I am at these people that call themselves "legislators" and "representatives"?

I'll tell you how mad I am. I hope they don't see this.

I got in my email tonight an offer and directions on how to invest in derivatives.

They call it a "corporate perk" that now anybody can enjoy. They say it "can't be advertised publicly". And of all the insane things, they even mention Citigroup as a source offering these programs (though there are also others).

The variation I saw (there must be others as well) was called the 424 dividend boost program. They claimed 1,000% to 2,000% the return of "normal stocks".

Am I right? (What else could it be.)

Great job our Representatives are doing, isn't it?

Markey? Kaptur? DeFazio? Are you ready?

Dorgan? Are you ready? (I don't know any of the others in the Senate. My gig is The Peoples' House.)

And if nobody ever sees this, thank John Conyers above all.

Why John? I fault him for allowng the "I" word to be off the table and for the truth to become illegal in "The People's House". And what a great fault that is.

So let the chips fly where they may.

Jeb Bush Considers Run for US Senate

posted: 2 HOURS 9 MINUTES AGO

ORLANDO, Fla. (Dec. 2) -- U.S. Sen. Mel Martinez of Florida, who has struggled to boost public support because of his close ties to President George W. Bush, announced Tuesday he will not seek a second term in 2010, saying he wants to spend more time with his family.

Speculation about who would run for Martinez' seat began immediately after his announcement. . . . .

Be sure to look at the votes so far! Not to be believed!!!!!

"There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Franklin D. Roosevelt