I'd like to see ingredients listed on products again.

And I'd like subliminal suggestion banned again.

Anybody going to the inauguration? Maybe they can mention this stuff.

Thanks.

I'd like to see ingredients listed on products again.

And I'd like subliminal suggestion banned again.

Anybody going to the inauguration? Maybe they can mention this stuff.

Thanks.

PS. Franken won.

Thanks Al. And don't we wish Gore and Kerry had this kind of commitment to their supporters?

And that brings me back to the subject of the People's House and the Judiciary, but let's take a day off.

I'd like to see ingredients listed on products again.

And I'd like subliminal suggestion banned again.

Anybody going to the inauguration? Maybe they can mention this stuff.

Thanks.

PS. Franken won.

Thanks Al. And don't we wish Gore and Kerry had this kind of commitment to their supporters?

And that brings me back to the subject of the People's House and the Judiciary who have led the charge to retreat, but let's take a day off.

disseminating tickets for the inauguration!

"There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Franklin D. Roosevelt

As we all know, Cheney admitted on TV that he had approved "enhanced interrogation techniques," otherwise known as TORTURE. Torture is torture! No amount of playing with words, twisting of language, so-called "certain circumstances" can mitigate its use EVER. Torture is a war crime and the supreme rule of the land rules!

I urge everyone to view this video.

Then, if you have not already signed the Petition, click on this Badge and go sign the Petition:

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"There is nothing to fear but fear itself."
Franklin D. Roosevelt

Keystone Kongress -- Boehner's 2 1/2 Digit Calculator

Dear professor Boehner, the first 700 Bn was an experiment to see if giving Goldman Sachs and the likes the money would work. Goldman Sachs got a 10 Bn "rescue package and handed out $10.9 Bn in bonuses! Amazing or what?

The Madoff class is apparently completely oblivious to how devastatingly naked they are -- they've been running wild so long.

Anyway, that "rescue package" cost us about $2000 per man woman and child ($700 Bn divided by 300 Mill). The second $700 Bn will go somewhere where it might do something besides give the banking execs huge piles of money to use to play the stock market.

Now you say that we are "indebting our grandchildren" by this largess, and I have to wonder: haven't you heard of "minimum wage"? Forget Nancy Pelosi's Tahitian pearls (which sell for a MINIMUM of $4000, and probably at least twice that, and her necklass probably will not indebt anyone's grand children), the point here is that it will cost us $4,000 per man woman and child to do both.

If that will indebt YOUR grandchildren, we'd better get busy and make sure they have jobs... and the best way to do that would be to... well, exactly what we're finally now doing!

Or do you and the rest of the Term Limits Revolutionaries have some new weird plan we haven't heard about (and most likely even worse than the utterly stupid Republican Revolution)? The interest on that loan should be pretty managable even without a Jubilee, my fellow Christian. (More than 40 Jubilees in arrears already, by the way, so that's a lot of Jubilation the "Madoff class" owes us, no?)

So it's 1400 Billion, or 1.4 Trillion we're talking about here. That's half of what Rumsfeld lost track of at the Pentagon, and let's not get into the debt we owe our vets for staying the wrong course in a war that was TIMED to give Republicans the advantage, as we now know from the now largely verified "downing street memo" (#1 is the smoking gun).

Verified?

Yup. That was the gist of the Jonathan Karl interveiw with Quail Thing. Cheney verified that they (at least he) didn't care.

You have probably seen or heard the ABC interview, but you may not have seen the Wikipedia on the dsm. Here's a url.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_street_memo

PS. I at first thought the headline here was "bringing the inauguration closer to the constitution".

Maybe later? ;-)

It is very difficult to please eveyone. You have come very close.

Well Done
FF

I noted a story that brightened my day. I think it will brighten yours too. Here ya go:

Obama's Justice nominees signal end of Bush terror tactics

WASHINGTON — In filling four senior Justice Department positions Monday, President-elect Barack Obama signaled that he intends to roll back Bush administration counterterrorism policies authorizing harsh interrogation techniques, warrantless spying and indefinite detentions of terrorism suspects.

It goes on to mention that former AG Gonzales has no job, has had no job, and likely will have no job, while all of The President-Elects' nominees have the independence one derives from not needing a job. This seems a very good sign regarding the future course intended for The United States.

I am pleased.

But I am not pleased to be once again mortifyed by Israels' unbelievable behaviour. They got just one friend in the whole World. And it is time to stop being that Jerk.

I appreciate this Forum.
Frosted Flake

I did read 'em, had noticed. This is why I pretended to suppose the EDIT key was a mystery.

One mans art is another mans mess, if you see what I mean. If we want the stuff read we gota be readable. Been working hard on that myself, as well you know.
FF

Thanks.

I appreciate this forum.
FF

Ummm...maybe I better check again tomorrow.

Conyers Seeks Probe of Bush Crimes

By Jason Leopold
January 7, 2009

In one of the first acts of the 111th Congress, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers proposed legislation to create a blue-ribbon panel of outside experts to probe the “broad range” of policies pursued by the Bush administration “under claims of unreviewable war powers,” including torture of detainees and warrantless wiretaps.

Conyers’s proposal for a National Commission on Presidential War Powers and Civil Liberties also signals that Congress will devote significant time this year to investigating the Bush administration’s most controversial actions with an eye to rolling back its expansion of executive power.

Many civil liberties and human rights groups feared that the Democratic-controlled Congress and Barack Obama’s administration would duck any sustained inquiry into wrongdoing by George W. Bush and his subordinates, to avoid angering Republicans.

While Conyers’s plan falls short of the criminal probe that civil rights groups have sought, neither would it prevent a criminal investigation by Obama’s Justice Department if the new administration moves in that direction, said two aides on Obama’s transition team who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Obama has been ambivalent about how to proceed regarding wrongdoing by the Bush administration. He said during the campaign that willful criminality should be punished because “nobody is above the law,” but also expressed concern that an investigation might get bogged down in recriminations and could be viewed by Republicans as “a partisan witch hunt.”

Obama also has suggested he might support some form of truth commission as a way of ascertaining the facts, which would be in line with Conyers’s plan.

The proposed blue-ribbon panel would consist of nine members, with no more than five from the same political party. Appointed by the President and congressional leaders, the panel would have a budget of about $3 million and subpoena power to compel testimony from high-level members of the Bush administration.

The panel would file an initial report to the President and Congress within one year and a final report six months later. The report would include “any recommendations the Commission considers appropriate.” lt is unclear if criminal prosecution could be one of the recommendations of the panel.

Mukasey's Stand

Last year, amid disclosures about White House approval of brutal interrogation tactics used against “war on terror” detainees, Conyers called on Attorney General Michael Mukasey to appoint a special prosecutor to determine whether these actions constituted war crimes. But Mukasey didn’t act.

In a roundtable discussion with reporters on Dec. 3, Mukasey revealed his thinking, arguing that there is no legal basis to prosecute current and former administration officials for authorizing torture and warrantless domestic surveillance because those decisions were made in the context of a presidential interest in protecting national security.

"There is absolutely no evidence that anybody who rendered a legal opinion, either with respect to surveillance or with respect to interrogation policies, did so for any reason other than to protect the security in the country and in the belief that he or she was doing something lawful,” Mukasey said.

Regarding Justice Department legal opinions sanctioning these actions, Mukasey said he feared that second-guessing of those opinions would send “the message … that if you come up with an answer that is not considered desirable in the future you might face prosecution, and that creates an incentive not to give an honest answer but to give an answer that may be acceptable in the future.”

The war-crimes issue surfaced again when Vice President Dick Cheney gave media interviews last month in which he talked unapologetically about his role in approving harsh interrogation tactics, including the simulated drowning of waterboarding which is widely regarded as torture.

Conyers’s proposed legislation was introduced on the same day that the Senate Judiciary Committee gave reporters three previously unreleased Justice Department legal opinions pertaining to Bush’s authority to declare war with Iraq.

The legal opinions were written by Jay Bybee and John Yoo, former Justice Department attorneys who also drafted the infamous August 2002 “Torture Memo” that authorized CIA interrogators to waterboard high-level prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.

The Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility has spent the past four years investigating the genesis of that memo, specifically whether Bybee and Yoo provided the White House with poor legal advice.

In Bybee’s newly released Oct. 23, 2002, 47-page opinion, he stakes out broad war-making powers for Bush, claiming the President "possesses constitutional authority for ordering the use of force against Iraq to protect our national interests.”

The memo was drafted about two weeks after Congress approved a resolution authorizing Bush to "use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq.”

In the memo, Bybee reaffirmed an earlier opinion that Bush possessed the necessary war-making powers regardless of what Congress did.

"This memorandum confirms our prior advice to you regarding the scope of the President's authority. We conclude that the President possesses constitutional authority for ordering the use of force against Iraq to protect our national interests," Bybee's memo said.

“This independent authority is supplemented by congressional authorization in the form of the [1991] Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution ..., which supports the use of force to secure lraq' s compliance with its international obligations following the liberation of Kuwait, and the [2001] Authorization for Use of Military Force ..., which supports military action against Iraq if the President determines Iraq provided assistance to the perpetrators of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"In addition, using force against Iraq would be consistent with international law, because it would be authorized by the United Nations Security Council, or would be justified as anticipatory self-defense."

As it turned out, the UN Security Council did not approve military action against Iraq, forcing Bush to assemble an ad hoc multinational force that he called the "coalition of the willing." UN Secretary General Kofi Annan later acknowledged that the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a violation of international law.

There also has been no credible evidence indicating that Iraq provided any assistance to the 9/11 hijackers.

Another newly released legal opinion, written by Bybee’s successor, Jack Goldsmith, authorized Iraqi prisoners be moved to other countries to be interrogated — a practice known as rendition.

The existence of the three new legal opinions were first reported Tuesday by McClatchy Newspapers, which added that “Yoo supplements those arguments [on presidential powers] in two other memos dated Nov. 8, 2002 and Dec. 7, 2002.”

Conyers’s legislation for the blue-ribbon commission was co-sponsored by Democratic Reps. Maxine Waters, Jerrold Nadler, Linda Sanchez, Bill Delahunt, Luis Gutierrez, Bobby Scott and Steve Cohen.

Jason Leopold has launched his own Web site, The Public Record, at www.pubrecord.org.
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